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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the new year

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new world we hope with me George

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Galloway and me gri one of the saddest

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of the features of what has happened to

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the great Arab civilization in Syria is

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the brain drain with surgeons and

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scientists taking to rubber Inflatables

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to leave behind their ancient Society

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perhaps forever

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Dr Ahmed Al kadur is the antidote to

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that as a Syrian surgeon he lives and

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works in Damascus and Pops over here for

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a few weeks at the time to keep his hand

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in at the NHS and refueled goes back to

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Syria to Brave the bullets and the bombs

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I must say doctor in welcoming you back

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on board the Sputnik I I cannot hide my

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admiration and respect for a man who

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could easily be be living in London and

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working in the NHS have a safe and good

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life but who nonetheless has clung

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through all of this Carnage over the

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last Almost 5 years now so that out of

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the way tell us how things are for you

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and your family and the millions of

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people who are living in Syria through

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this hill first of all uh I would like

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to thank you both very much for this

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opportun opportunity again I have to say

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I'm honored to be on your show again and

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uh much of a greeting from all my

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colleagues to you to my friends here in

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UK uh it's been to be honest with you is

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a nightmare to live in this situation in

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Syria every day you can hear a bombing

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or or suicide bombing uh killing 20 30

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people uh eastern part of Damascus

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uh on daily basis been hit by 20 30

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mortars from suburb of Damascus where

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the rebels hold the area and holding too

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civilians and the Army could not advance

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to liberate this area because of a lot

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sieged in these

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areas at the top of that the economy

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crisis is getting worse the currency

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the crisis when when US dollar was worth

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50 Syrian pound now it's about 400 the

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acceler did not increase to such extent

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so everybody is struggling to to get the

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basic for his

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family uh so uh is not easy life I have

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to say now we're living in dark days I

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have to say and what the morale of the

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this well people they desperate to find

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solution desperate for this war to end

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by anyway this this war claimed more

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300,000 deaths so far I have to say

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million disabled and million

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displaced so Syrian people everybody is

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desperate for this to end I'd love to

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see this Ending by tomorrow

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uh I have to say a lot of

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especially uh targeted minorities they

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feel possibly they it's War for their

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existence in that area that's why so

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Al they basically got their backs to the

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war yeah got back to the war they feel

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because their existence is in danger

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Syria was the very best place to be a

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Christian in the Arab world I myself

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pris way in which all these places were

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preserved and kept and the honor given

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to the Christian people ancient the

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first Christians uh was something that

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no visitor whatever their view of the

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government in Damascus could

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deny uh and of course in Iraq the Chris

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decimated uh more than decimated half of

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all the Christians in Iraq are no longer

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there they're either dead or in headlong

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flight yeah uh and yet the Christian

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politicians in the west who are always

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telling us how Christian they are uh

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appear unmoved by that how does that

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feel to the Syrian

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Christians well I got too many uh

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Christian friends they are very worried

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and possibly uh um more half of them who

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found an opportunity outside Syria they

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moved already uh before this war started

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uh we were living in harmony all Syrian

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people nobody talk about religions or or

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or uh about I am Muslim Sunni or ala or

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Jews or Christian nobody talk about this

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everybody lives in harmony uh but uh as

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soon as this problem started and this

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teir mentality enter our society and

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this tefy uh uh Works killing K napping

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targeting these minorities this start to

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spark and this fear start to grow these

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Christian leaders and they called

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themselves Christian leaders I I myself

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never considered were acting on behalf

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of Christianity real Christians believe

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in the prophets peace be upon them they

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believed in the prophets and how it get

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a bigger piece of them but of course

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most of the people in Syria especially

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if you say half the Christians have

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already fled uh are equally

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contemplating what life could possibly

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be like under Isis and alqa and the

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organizations uh I know Syria very well

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I know the Syrian people very well they

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could never live under this kind of uh

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ruler the idea of these black flags

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flying in Damascus that really is a

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nightmare well I I think one of the goal

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of this war is distort the picture of

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Islam they wanted to give a picture of

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the Islam is equal to uh

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extremism uh

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murder uh as I said behead beheaded uh

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people so that's not real picture of

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Islam so one of the goal is to destore

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the picture of Islam one of the goal of

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picture uh a lot of people who cannot

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tolerate living under these rules even

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Sunni people uh displaced to to

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government area they live in harmony so

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far in the government control area in

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Latakia you can see a lot of raiji uh

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still in harmony normal life in Latakia

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in tus with their brothers uh other ala

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Syrian Society very clever uh they

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wanted to destroy uh the Islam

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instruction Real Islam instruction to

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live in Harmony in peace

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so um doctor I'm interested in how a to

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understand how a hospital functions

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under during a war and under bombardment

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under the continuous threat of

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terrorism um George spoke about the

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brain drain do you in your workplace

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experience the the the losses of doctors

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and nurses going away and is there what

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is the substitute for that are there

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perhaps Charities and NOS that Supply

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the wh perhaps how does that work

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unfortunately we losing uh human

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resources on daily basis in my

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Hospital uh people wanted to live in

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peace first of all they wanted their

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basic life so uh unfortunately uh we

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losing a lot of uh experts from my place

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and other places on daily basis we

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people uh a lot of

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people uh they don't want to move they

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insist to stay they they they staying

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we're trying to keep our uh Health

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efficiently to some extent I cannot

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uh at the current time uh as I said uh

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health system was very good uh before

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this crisis as a result of this crisis

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with uh lack of Human Resources uh lack

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of uh equipment yeah it's what I sayal

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health system very badly uh the the

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equipment which we could afford to pay

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it four years ago now we could not

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afford to buy the same equipment we have

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to to to find alternative a cheaper one

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uh to keep uh working

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narrative from my side of the political

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argument over Syria often stresses the

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number of foreign Invaders who are

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involved in this dirty war and to be

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sure there are tens of thousands of such

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foreigners but I'm sorry to say that

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there are many syrians involved in this

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dirty war also and when it's over and I

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do believe that the tide has turned I do

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believe this is going to be a better New

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Year for you uh than last new year

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was uh but you're going to have to come

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to terms with the fact that many tens of

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thousands of your own country men and

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women uh were murdered by their

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have you any vision of what a post-war

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Syria might look like in that regard

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well the uh Syrian government uh pushed

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for many reconciliation deals last one I

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think if you heard about in

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homes uh thousand of these armed people

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they accepted just to leave their arms

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and uh they and leave and uh some people

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would like to uh get integrated back to

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our to Home Society

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which has been done smoothly I think the

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government is pushing for more

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reconciliation deals to to to andity as

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well uh uh which has been acted uh for

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these people to find a door a passway

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peaceful Pathway to get integrated back

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to society to rebuild this Society again

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we need to get our so Society back uh

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there should uh these people to to

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convince us after 5 years of war we

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reach nothing we have to to be one

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Society one serian Society look for a

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future uh look for peace uh rebuild our

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society again rebuild our uh a future

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for our

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children Dr alador you're always welcome

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when you're in London to join us here

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thank you much again for this

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opportunity and thank you I'm very

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honored thank you

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tuned welcome back to Sputnik domestic

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violence and violence against women

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undercover such as the shame that is and

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indeed should accompany the idea of men

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beating women in some immigrant

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communities is usually shrouded in

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silence Sora dut Has Lifted the veil in

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his latest novel The Butterfly room and

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you're a very hot young novelist in the

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past you've dealt with horror novels now

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you've segued into real life horror

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although it's a novel it's only a novel

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because people couldn't give you their

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names and chapter and verse for a kind

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of uh nonfiction work tell us what led

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you into this and what you discovered

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well thank you very much for the

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invitation today Georgian gu 3 um just

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to put this in context the World Health

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Organization statistic came out a matter

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of days ago which stated that during the

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lifetime of a woman she will be vict a

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victim of domestic violence or sexual

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abuse and that person she will be

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receiving it from will be a man that

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just gives a scale of the gravity of the

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problem in this situation and what was

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the figure one in three one in three

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women during their lifetime will

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experience abuse either domestic

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violence abuse or sexual abuse so it's

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really staggering it really is

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staggering what led me to this journey

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was initially an account of the true

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accounts of women who have suffered

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domestic violence and sexual abuse and

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this was planned to be a nonfiction book

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however such as the taboo around this

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subject and the stigmatization that a a

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lot of these ladies wish to remain

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anonymous so rather than let this good

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work go to waste I wanted to use their

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accounts and then put it into a novel

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form and to give back in a certain way

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which is that sales from the book would

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go to domestic violence Charities but

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interestingly um I was approached

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beforehand by a Lobby of me Men actually

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who felt that they were being

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stigmatized by women and this was

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disproportionate they were saying that

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look the problem isn't quite as bad as

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it's made out whereas men are getting a

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bad rap why don't you write for us and

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regarding putting our case forward once

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I did some very basic research on this I

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realized just how bad the problem really

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is for women and I didn't want to

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blanket that in any shape or form that's

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what led me to write this book well if

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there are 7 billion people in the world

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and half of them are

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female uh and a third of those females

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will suffer either uh domestic abuse or

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or sexual violence or perhaps both

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that's a phenomenal number of women and

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if they're all almost all at the hands

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of men it's a phenomenal number of male

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criminals but probably the the men that

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are abusing are usually close to them

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yeah that's the usually the shocking

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Factor behind it yeah absolutely and

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what's really troubling about all these

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statistics and these accounts is the

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number of unreported incidents it's

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particular particularly prevalent in

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some communities in

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some societies and sectors um just think

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about those who can't bring their cases

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for fear of stigmatization or taboos and

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when you look at the totality of this

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problem um you've got to think about

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those who couldn't bring their cases or

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where for example in some circles a

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certain type of abuse believe it or not

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just doesn't Merit a certain threshold

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um if it's psychological for example if

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the man is withholding funds and not

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allowing the woman to be financially

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independent this doesn't in some circles

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count as domestic violence or abuse yet

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it is just the the preliminary stages of

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an actual assault battery or even worse

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some will no doubt complacently imagine

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that a country like Britain uh does not

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have its fair share of these statistics

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that it's not as common here as it might

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be in countries where The Immigrant

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communities originally came from is that

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accurate well regarding this issue I

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mean uh lots of in Britain the problem

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is just as bad um certain austerity cuts

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are stripping domestic violence

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Charities and organizations of the funds

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and means to provide help and assistance

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to these women um it's not just

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immigrant communities it doesn't matter

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whether it's Indian or Pakistani it

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could be Eastern European it could be

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British women British citizens it runs

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the Spectrum and the g the taboo

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uh is more prevent in some communities

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absolutely I mean the Genesis of the

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book was based on accounts in South Asia

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and India to start with although it ran

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across interviews women everywhere but

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you're right in Britain a lot of the

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Immigrant communities first generation

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second generation third generation the

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stigmatization has continued through

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generation through class through any

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spectrum of society sometimes is a focus

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to say oh well the women who are being

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abused come from a lower class or uh a

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lower income band this isn't true

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whatsoever in Britain in fact those who

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can be abused or stigmatized and suffer

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this sort of abuse can be CEOs they can

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be lawyers they can be doctors they

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don't have to be spinsters or

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Housewives as an anthropologist I also

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conducted qualitative research as you've

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done yourself and I did mine amongst

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poor communities and I know how

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difficult it is to enter these

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communities so I wonder how it was for

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you as a man to get in touch with them

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and get the women to talk to you well

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the initial stages of my research came

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through some legal work through legal

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aid um as you your background yeah and

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as you may know legal aid cuts of men

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that are lot of women who suffer

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domestic violence abuse simply cannot

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bring cases whereas once they could have

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um yes you're correct when when I

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approached women initially they were

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skeptical to say the least about why a

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man would be wanting to interview them

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and that I would have certain

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preconceptions but once it it was clear

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where I was going with this book um the

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the the response has been phenomenal um

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I believe that as a man it's part of my

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battle and struggle as well with regards

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to gender inequality um we see very

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often How brave women um are giving

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mediums and platforms to speak and Men

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you know they clap along and they

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provide assurances and promises but they

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aren't putting action where words are

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being placed um take for example India

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just as a simple example um it's 3 years

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almost to the day in a sense where a

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horrible rape occurred in Delhi a lot of

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promises were made a lot of assurances

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by men no less of funds which would be

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released money that would be raised and

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they just haven't been followed through

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um so to just to digress slightly from

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that um I can understand the skepticism

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towards men and what their motives are

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but with me I simply wanted to provide a

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voice and I wanted to be one of the few

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men unfortunately minority who does

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speak about this and does debate about

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this and does want to give a voice to

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the voiceless and the double standards

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of course are Brazen uh there's a

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notorious case right now in Saudi Arabia

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oh yes uh where a s Lankan woman and a

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Sri Lankan man working in Saudi Arabia

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have been convicted of extra marital

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sexual

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relations the man is to be lashed and

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the woman is to be be stoned to death uh

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this kind of brazen double standards uh

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would not be permitted here but there

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are plenty of double standards of a

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lesser standard and Common Place men

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don't feel this pain in the way that

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women

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do absolutely true I mean the

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stigmatization that comes across simply

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by a woman raising their concerns is

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horrifying

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when a woman speaks out about this for

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some reason she's vilified she's not

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seen as an independent person voicing

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concern rather a rabble Rouser a

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troublemaker someone who's trying to

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make an issue where there isn't one

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unfortunately their issues are prevalent

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they are do need to be discussed but yes

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there is a double standard because if a

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woman particularly in countries such as

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India countries such as Saudi Arabia or

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elsewhere raise their voices they are

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ostracized they their voices are pushed

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to the side

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and try and attempted to be as made as

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minuscule as possible why is this we

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have to get Beyond this we're in 2016

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now and we're looking at a point where

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we must debate these things out in the

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open and it can't be on um Independent

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Women's day I I have I have take a bit

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of umage with the day international

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women's day um this is a day where

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everyone collates and a lot of media

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Echo Chambers talk about how this is so

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important and lots of money is raised

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and the day after the issue is forgotten

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well of course you are yourself from

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South Asian background Indian

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background um and uh there are millions

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of people in Britain today from that

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Community half of them are men uh what's

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their attitude to your novel The

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Butterfly room well the men themselves

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well again they feel that whilst this is

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an issue that must be discussed you

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can't say too much which is kind of you

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know it's ridiculous in itself it's it's

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almost as if a certain level of

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criticism is permitted but if you go

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beyond that and if you try to dig deeper

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into the reasons and the rationale they

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don't want to hear that whilst we are

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moving into Generations that do want to

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hear more about these problems and

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issues and do something about it

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unfortunately certain prejudices and

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discriminatory attitudes are passed on

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from generation to generation people

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seeing their father beating their mother

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are far more likely to be their own

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wives when they have one yeah um this is

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a pattern that unfortunately is bearing

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to be true um it's it's the sins of the

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father being passed along and is if it's

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not physical it comes across in another

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way like I said um it could be for

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example confiscating the credit card

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confiscating any financial means of

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Independence um where one is a bread

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winner who earns a considerable amount

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in the city for example and and insists

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that the woman remains at home while she

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does remain at home she has no

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independence of herself and the argument

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is always brought back that well I'm the

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F owner I'm the bread winner here listen

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to me and listen to what you say and

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listen to what I say and if you were to

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raise your voice think about what others

519
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will think of you within the family this

520
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is a very particular problem within

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South Asian communities and immigrant

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communities it's a concern about what

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others will think perceive what they

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perceive and they it's a fascinating

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novel The Butterfly room it's being

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published not just in Britain but

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internationally how's it doing it's

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doing very well it's come to the

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attention of um MPS figureheads and

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Charities um Amnesty International UK

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for example picked up on the book um

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several um um Leaders with Jeremy Corbin

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even number 10 believe it or not has a

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copy of the book um he doing very well

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00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,880
is going to be published um in India

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present which has been a bit of a

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00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:53,360
difficult uphill struggle actually when

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it shouldn't have been um and it's of

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the taboo just because of the taboo just

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because of the criticism again you're

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allowed to say a bit but don't say too

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much um and importantly I've I've bonded

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with several Charities major Charities

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who have taken part um women's Aid

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refuge and one in particular called the

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Sharon project who's a who's a

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relatively new organization helping

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women in this country in the United

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Kingdom and the praise has been

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unanimous so far so I'm very thankful

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for that well excellent It's a first

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class read and a real eye opener s d

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thank you for joining us alas that means

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on this new year that's the end of of

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the show but please stay in touch with

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us through Twitter at rtor Sputnik or on

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Facebook Sputnik on Russia today it's

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goodbye from me gri and from me George

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Galloway it's been marvelous Happy New

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Year

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